Speaker 0 00:00:01
I think there are opportunities for creatives in the world. When you feel that discomfort as you’re looking at something or reading something or creating something and you’re like, I wish someone would create it for me, then it’s like, oh, that’s what you should create then.
Speaker 2 00:00:26
Hi, sweet friend. Welcome to the Come and Creative Podcast. This is a podcast for artists and creatives of all backgrounds who seek to build a resilient mindset. Together we’ll dive into all things mindfulness and mental health as they relate to a creative journey. We’ll explore different tools and tips that can help us cultivate a more resilient and positive perspective on life. I’m Volta. I’m an author, a watercolor and animation artist, and the founder of Color Snack. I’m so happy that you’re here
Speaker 3 00:01:04
Feeling stressed. I got you, sweet friend. I created a free resource just for you. It’s five creative exercises that you can do anytime, anywhere. To tap into a moment of calm. You can access the resource on my website, color snack.com/calm. And again, that’s color snack.com/calm, CALM. Hi Meredith. Thank you so much for coming onto the Calm and Creative Podcast. I’m so happy that you’re here.
Speaker 0 00:01:36
I am so happy to be here. And I have to tell you the words calm and creative. Fill me with joy <laugh>. Oh my gosh. There is like zero stress around, like I get to talk about calmness and creativity. Those are wonderful things. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:01:50
Well, I’m so happy to hear that it resonates with you. And Meredith, whenever I first was introduced to you and I heard about you and I heard your message of speaking on the topic of having a generalized anxiety disorder, it instantly resonated with me because I happened to have it as well. And I was wondering if you could share with my listeners a little bit about the process of how you came to discover this, that, that you had generalized anxiety disorder.
Speaker 0 00:02:22
Yeah. I’m happy to share that. And I am completely honored that you found me sort of through that path, because I have a, I have a theory that people, that people that have generalized anxiety disorder sort of understand each other once we know, it’s sort of like, oh, okay. I know, I know a lot about you. Just as a result of knowing that. And sort of, that was the, the theory around beautiful Voyager, which is this website that I created for overthinkers people, pleasers and perfectionists, which really was another way of saying people with anxiety disorders really. Like I, I feel like that’s a lot of the people in that group sort of fall into that. And so my story’s a little unusual because I never knew I had an anxiety, an anxiety disorder my whole life. I was 39 years old and I was working at startups here in San Francisco, a series of startups, a bunch of different startups in a couple of years.
Speaker 0 00:03:20
And it was a hard time in my work life. Work has always been a place where I put a lot of attention and focus for better and worse, not always the best thing. And, and so the stress of this moment for me with my, with my career, I think it caused more issues that had always been there to surface. Like it was, it was a moment where I like more things were happening, but I still didn’t have any idea. It was anxiety, it was very physical for me. So it was nausea, fainting, tingling limbs, like all this stuff I did not understand at all. Lots of migraines. So I had been to see my neurologist before, but I went again and I had almost given up on help. Like I had thought, oh, okay, well this is just like I have a jacked up nervous system.
Speaker 0 00:04:12
This is just me. This is what I’m stuck with. Like this is just sort of the body I’m in. And she really surprised me because I was sitting there describing all the things that we could do to try to understand this migraine. I was like, what about the vagus nerve? What if we tried this? Like, should I try this different supplement or what? And I, at one point she said, Meredith, let’s take a deep breath. I think I actually know what’s going on with you. I think it’s generalized anxiety disorder. And when she said it, it was such a moment of revelation because it seemed true. It seemed like she got it. Like that was what it was. I just hadn’t understood that. And she is in Silicon Valley, and she said she sees this literally every day, but no
one ever listens to her.
Speaker 0 00:05:07
She says, I, I tell this to people regularly, but people will not listen to me. So I very much listen to her. I listen to her. That where the, to the point where I of course put all those sort of traits I have around overthinking and trying to understand. And I put it, I funneled it into this site and meeting people and gathering information and data. And, and now it’s been, now I’m 48, so that was 39 and I turned 40 that week. So all these things were happening in my life. And now it’s been eight years since then. So it’s been a very interesting journey. Wow.
Speaker 3 00:05:42
And from what I remember to reading up on your story, were you al also already seeing therapists? Right. At the time
Speaker 0 00:05:50
I had seen, I had seen therapists on and off my whole life. Well, not my whole life from like college on Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But I never knew why Volta. I was like, why? I was, I would go a, I would go to therapists and talk through stuff, and it seemed like they thought that that was making me better, but I never felt better. Yeah. I didn’t feel like talking a lot with therapists was helping me. And none of them, none of the five people I saw throughout my twenties and thirties, none of them spotted anxiety disorder. In fact, at one point my husband said, can you ask your therapist if anxiety could be at play? And when I asked her, I remember really specifically, she said, you don’t have any more anxiety than anyone does. Mm. Like that. This is what everyone has. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 0 00:06:41
And so I think it’s really interesting that a neurologist was the one that Yeah. Diagnosed me. And, and I, I think that my story just suggests that you can really, we have like strengths, right? And some of those strengths we can use in ways we don’t even understand to hide parts of ourselves. Like I don’t, I think I was just so used to coping and dealing with this that I didn’t even think about it. Yeah. It was second nature to me. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I think that’s why they didn’t spot it. ’cause they were like, well, you seem to be okay. You’re doing well in your career. You’re maintaining your relationships, you know, you have a happy family. Like you seem to be okay. They just didn’t spot it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:07:26
Oh my gosh. That resonates with me so much because I’ve also tried different therapists in the past and it was like, I just, I was like, I know therapy is good for you, but I just don’t feel good just talking about things like
Speaker 0 00:07:38
Yeah. You know, it just doesn’t, I think this is really interesting actually. And I am now going, now that I’ve been working on this for a long time, and I’ve been lucky to be around academics and all these different people. There are a couple things I’ve learned. One is that the, the diagnosis, generalized anxiety disorder was actually invented in response to the pharmaceutical companies. So pharmaceutical company, and this is like in this book, I’m working on a new book, and this is like part of it, but people don’t understand anxiety disorders. They don’t, they, there have been a lot of changes, which I’m writing about now in sort of how things were diagnosed and thought of. And we have lived in a time where people really focus on psychoanalysis, almost like back to Freudian thinking. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, which to my mind is actually super outdated.
Speaker 0 00:08:29
I’m like, that’s like very simplistic. And I don’t think that’s what everyone needs, especially Overthinkers. I actually think we, and you know, if you include cognitive behavioral therapy in that umbrella, like yes, I can see that helping Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> or DBT, you know, these are things that can help. But I think that they are toolkits and the idea of like sitting and talking for 20 years or 15 years or whatever with one therapist, like, I’m not sure, at least for me, I can say, and for other people I’ve, I’ve talked to over the years, like, it isn’t the right approach for us. Yeah. We need other things. Yeah. And that’s where I think creativity in your work is trying to express that, right? Like there are these different worlds that we’re trying to understand and different, there are different ways of healing that are not just like going and sitting and talking to a therapist.
Speaker 3 00:09:21
Yes. Yeah. And, and I, you know, I shared this with also like the message that therapy is also helpful. It’s just like Yeah. Finding kind of like the right approach. Right. And, and like, like we mentioned, like some things resonate better with some people. Yes. But if you have generalized anxiety disorder, probably just talking it out is not gonna really,
Speaker 0 00:09:44
In fact, it, it’s, I think it can also hurt in a way because we already ruminate and we we’re already overthinkers. Yeah. And I remember my husband said to me, can you ask your therapist like how long you’re gonna be in therapy? And I asked her, and she said, as long as you have things to talk about. Aw. And he was like, oh, you’re gonna be in therapy for the rest of your life then, because you’re always gonna have stuff to talk about. Which is so true. Like, I’m always exploring and curious. And so I think you’re exactly right. Like, people are so different. They have such different needs. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, if you are an overthinker in a similar vein to me or to you, it may be that talk therapy doesn’t help you. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> move through your thinking. Yeah. Like, it, it just like burdens you inside of it in a way that we don’t need.
Speaker 3 00:10:35 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:10:36
But it’s not a commonly discussed thing. But I, I really believe that to be true. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Um, not just from my own experience, but again, from meeting so many people in this space over the past eight years.
Speaker 3 00:10:47
Yeah. And I’m, I’m curious, what would be your advice to someone that was maybe just recently diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder? Do you have any advice of like, what they could do next to kind of dive into this journey?
Speaker 0 00:11:03
Yeah. I mean, I think that’s the reason I’m writing the book I’m writing right now. ’cause it’s big and it’s ambitious and it feels overwhelming to me. But I, but the goal is the toolkit that you, what happens, like right after you start to realize this about yourself or what happens if you’ve gone through something that makes you need to take care of yourself in a different way or think differently. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So I think what I would say is, the first thing I would say is that they’ll probably try to Google a lot <laugh>. I mean, I did. Right? I’ve, like, you hear, I’ve friends and you’re like, Google. Google. Yeah. And you dig and you dig and you dig. And that won’t always be satisfying. Like, you’ll get some information and maybe you’ll, you’ll find places like beautiful Voyager that kind of resonate with you.
Speaker 0 00:11:52
And if so, that’s great. But it’s not really gonna fully scratch the itch. Like you’re looking for more information. And often that experience of going through all that takes time to lead you to insights about yourself. And so the thing I would most want them to know is that that’s very normal. I would wanna normalize what the experience right. After a diagnosis like that. ’cause they’re just gonna get confused and go down rabbit holes and do all the things we do, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> that’s what Overthinkers do. So, so I would say just hear the voice of people that are saying, like, that’s part of it. You’re gonna go through all that. And along the way, if you can stay experimental, if you can like get yourself into an experimental mindset where you’re like, I’m gonna try this. I’m gonna try this, I’m gonna try this, and I’m not gonna assume that someone else will have an answer for me about what’s happening with me. I am the only one that can have the answer. But that’s also so hard.
Speaker 3 00:12:49
Yeah. Because we always tend to think like, oh, like, well, it definitely works for this person. Like, I’m trying the same thing. I’m following the steps. Why isn’t this working for me? I
Speaker 0 00:12:58
Know. I know, I know. And it’s, I mean, it’s a great conversation to have because I almost think it’s like wearing clothes, like a thing that might look good on you, may not look good on me. Like everyone has so many different body types and skin
types and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And so we have to think of it the same way. ’cause it is physical. Yeah. It is like a physical level for
Speaker 3 00:13:22
Sure. And I love that analogy because it’s so, it’s so easy to understand. It’s like, of course it’s gonna work differently for other people. Yes. And and the idea of also like, experimenting, I am such a huge fan of that from like, the art, art per perspective. I that just because like, I always wanna encourage anyone that’s attending my workshops to tap into that mindset of like, you are experimenting. There’s no way that you can mess this up. You are just being playful, you’re creative. And I’m, I’m curious to know, do you have any advice for someone who’s maybe a little bit more like perfectionist in their way? And, and like, maybe the idea of experimenting is a little scary because, you know, that oftentimes means that you’re, you might be doing something that’s not like, quote
Speaker 0 00:14:08
Unquote. I know. I know, I know. Trust me. I know. I, the, the line that I said a lot in my first book, and I still live this every single day, in fact I’m telling it to myself as I’m telling it to you, is you’ve gotta be gawky to get graceful in the beginning of anything you do, the results probably won’t look great. Like, it’s just part of what it is the celebration needs to be. I tried it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I did it right. I made something that’s incredible. Like I, I spent 30 minutes trying to do watercolors in this class. Like that’s really, needs to be the celebration. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And then the next thing for yourself is to be like, okay, and I care about this enough to spend another 30 minutes next week, and I am not going to judge what I’ve done. And sometimes people, I mean, if you’re like me, you might need to even set a parameter for yourself where you’re like, Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I’m not even gonna judge this for six sessions.
Speaker 3 00:15:12 Ooh. I love that.
Speaker 0 00:15:14
For six sessions, I’m gonna, yeah. My goal is just to show up and to make something. And then after six sessions, I will then look at what I’ve created and I’m gonna try to, I do, I, one thing that I’ve been like working on lately is trying to articulate, like turning off certain parts of your brain at certain moments and like giving yourself a rule around the turning off. Like, I’m going to turn this off for X amount of time. That is for a reason. I am turning off the judgment part of my brain in order to be able to just allow myself to make something. It’s something that’s just hard won that I’ve learned through my own experiences really, of like how to do this because I didn’t write for 20 years because I was too judgmental.
Speaker 3 00:15:58 Oh.
Speaker 0 00:15:59
Oh. So I know what that is. Yeah. And even now I’m like, this isn’t as good as blah blah. Like the thing I’m writing right now, I was comparing to like this incredible writer I’ve liked my whole life who lives in England. And I’m like, you can’t, you are not him <laugh>. But you have a thing to do and you have a thing to say and it will be helpful. Like, it really all comes back to not comparing yourself, I think. Oh, setting boundaries and not comparing.
Speaker 3 00:16:27
That is such a powerful message. And I just wanna acknowledge and, and share that. I’m so grateful that you wrote this book because when, when I came across it, I was like, this book was written for me. I mean,
Speaker 0 00:16:42
By the way, it was, if you look at the inscription and dedication to Overthinkers Everywhere with love and gratitude, I think is what it is. I haven’t looked at it lately, but it is true. It is truly for you. Because I literally am like, all I’m for is to be connected, to know. I’m not the only one who is this way. Mm-Hmm. Who’s, who thinks this way, who is like, and the more that I meet, it’s almost like meeting your people in a way. You’re like, they understand. Yeah. I can say certain things and it takes time, but like, it’s, it’s been so true. Like, the people that connect with it is who it’s meant for <laugh>. Yeah. Oh, and, and I feel like I understand ’em, you know, it is real.
Speaker 3 00:17:30
Yeah. And I’m just, it is a mixture of feelings of like overwhelmed, but like in a good way. ’cause it’s like, wow, I, someone sees me and like understands what I’m going through and Yeah. I just like, and I’m sure there was a lot of like, just, uh, it was a journey, right. To write this book after not writing for 20 years. And, and so I just wanna like say that I so appreciate you that you did show up for it and that you’re showing up for your next book too. Because now I just like, I cannot wait. I know, I know. I’m gonna, I’m just gonna like devour it.
Speaker 0 00:18:09
<laugh>. I thank you. I mean right back at you by the way. Right back at you. Because that’s how I feel when I get to connect with someone who enjoyed the book <laugh>. Like, every time I say it, I’m like, oh my God, thank you, thank you. But I really mean it. ’cause it’s like a two way experience. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It’s not just me writing and sending things out. It’s me looking for the connection that can happen. And it’s magical to me that someone could read something I’ve written out in the world, not know me. I don’t have to be like, people pleasing, like make you laugh. You can just read what I’ve written and connect with me. Like, and same with your art. Right? Like, people can see and feel you by looking at it. They feel you. And it’s incredible because that’s what visual, I think that’s why visual is so important to me.
Speaker 0 00:19:00
Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> like, when I first was diagnosed and started Googling online, the visuals that I saw were not how I felt. They were very, like, it was all like, people in corners being so uncomfortable. It, it is just like a very stigmatized Yeah. Look and how the brain works. Whereas what I see this, I’m like, ah, I get it. You know? There is something about a different kind of visual. And I think that’s why working with designers is really important to me. That’s why like, even this is so dumb, but even like having this, I’m pointing by the way right now to a huge sticker that’s on my wall over my shoulder. It’s a, I love it. It’s a, it’s an image of Iceland, but it gives me this expanded feeling. Mm-Hmm. And a lot of what I do when I look at stuff and when I read is to feel things.
Speaker 0 00:19:52
I’m like, this is what I feel when I look at this. Yeah. This is what I feel when I look at this. And if I can translate that into words, hopefully other people can understand that too. I mean, that’s just, it’s just a very clear, like, it’s almost like an editor’s mindset of being like, how do I feel with that? How does that make me feel? How does that make me feel? And same with technology. Like if I’m like playing with a new technology, like how do I feel about it? Like, is it connecting with me?
Speaker 3 00:20:20
And, and I love that you mentioned that because I, I feel like a lot of times we don’t necessarily ask ourselves that question, and we may go along with something that we think is like the right path or decision or choice, but then it’s like something feels off. And then if we ignore it sometimes just ends up not, not very helpful. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:20:44
Agreed. Like, it’s sort of like, it’s, it’s so boring to be like, tune into what you’re feeling. ’cause it almost doesn’t have a meaning. Like those words, what does that even mean? Yeah. But I do think that if people, I think there are opportunities for creatives in the world. When you feel that discomfort as you’re looking at something or reading something or creating something and you’re like, I wish someone would create it for me, then it’s like, oh, that’s what you should create then. Ah. So that’s how I felt about writing. Yeah. I was like, I’m not seeing what I’m interested in. I’m not seeing people talk about what I wanna talk about. Yeah. So I guess I’m gonna have to try it and create it. And like, so far so good. Right? Like it has resonated, which makes me really happy. But that is, you’re just creating probably for a version of yourself. Like, I’m probably creating for myself at age 35, like, or 25 or trying to like make that connection, you know? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:21:42
I actually, that resonates with me so much. I just feel like the message that I share with my art and workshops and everything that I teach is, is for that version of me who was stuck in like a job that was like completely misaligned with my strengths. And I, I felt so stuck in just helpless. And so now I feel like I’m trying to reach that version of me through things.
Speaker 0 00:22:09
<laugh>. Yes. I’m nodding so much because that’s exactly how I think. And when people are like, who’s your audience? I’m like, the mees out there, overthinkers age 25. I don’t know. Like I, I understand them. Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. And that’s why when you’re like, this speaks to me so much, I’m like, that’s who I’m trying to reach. Right? Yeah. Like, that’s like the point.
Speaker 3 00:22:29
Aw. And Meredith, I I also wanna ask you about the app, um, that helps us trains like how to feel. Yes. So could you, could you share a little bit about that for anyone who’s not
Speaker 0 00:22:43
Familiar with it? Yeah. Happy to share that. So it’s called How We Feel and it is a free, and it’s really important that it’s free. That’s like a core part of it is that it’s a free app that helps people understand how to articulate, how to describe their emotions. So you come in and you check in, you choose a word, you look at all the different definitions, you start to like help yourself say, I’m disappointed, not sad. That’s a big difference. Yes. And understanding that you’re disappointed allows you a different set of things to, to do to help yourself. And so this app wa I’ve been working on it for like three and a half years I think. And I’ve been very lucky. It’s with the founder of Pinterest, who I work very closely with on this app and it’s nonprofit. So he’s funding it and its goal is to help the entire world with emotional literacy. And I’m just the lucky person that gets to work on it. <laugh>,
Speaker 3 00:23:42
I love that so much. It’s so needed. So thank you so much. Of course. Please pass along my thanks to him. <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:23:48
I’ll. And you know, the amazing thing is he, the thing that really keeps him wanting to work on it is the emails. We get these emails like constantly, like all day every day with people saying like, this really changed my life. Or I think really differently. And I think it’s, again, different ways of helping people tune in. Right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. It’s like I said, like saying the words tune into what you’re feeling. That that has no meaning to me. Yeah. It didn’t to me in my twenties when people would say that to me, I was like, I don’t know what that means. Yeah. <laugh>. So this is like trying to like explain it and like break it down and make it, make it doable.
Speaker 3 00:24:26
Yeah. Oh, I love that so much. Right. And kind of coming back to, and of course I will be sharing the links to the app and your book in the show notes to whoever’s listening, I do wanna kind of mention back the book again. ’cause my, I would say like, my favorite tool that you share in this is immerse yourself in a hands-on project to no surprise because I love Yes. Using my hands. I’m wondering, is there an activity that you love to do that requires you to use your hands?
Speaker 0 00:24:58
I mean, so many. What, what is
Speaker 3 00:24:59
So many? Could you share?
Speaker 0 00:25:01
One thing I love that is like sort of handsy, but also brainy is, is jigsaw puzzles. And every year I have to limit the number I do because I could really go down a rabbit hole. And I said to my husband this morning, like, is it, am I allowed to do my jigsaw puzzle <laugh>? Like, it’s like, because I’ll get so into it. Mm-Hmm. And yes, it is jigsaw puzzle time. So I’m excited about that cross stitching. Like I have like little cross stitching things I do, knitting I’ve done in the past. Definitely These like new weird crafts that are like the, have you ever seen the beads that have the stick on the back? Yes. Like bead painting or something? Yeah, it’s called. Yeah. I love that. I love these like little detailed things Mm-Hmm. That are sort of focusing. Yeah. From my brain. It feels great. It’s such, it’s
Speaker 3 00:25:52
Like a brain massage. ’cause you get to,
Speaker 0 00:25:54 It’s a brain massage
Speaker 3 00:25:55
Disconnect a little bit from, from your worries and just like really focus on what’s in front of you.
Speaker 0 00:26:01
Yes. So all of those things. And anytime like there’s one of those I always like jump in and give it a try. ’cause I just, and people have sent me products to try that are like paint by number, you know, just different Yeah. Things that are just fun experiments with hands-on crafts. And you know, being a Pinterest, I’m lucky ’cause I am near other people doing like a macro may workshop. Oh. You know, like I can like join and try stuff.
Speaker 3 00:26:30
Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It does sound like the perfect place <laugh> to just like experiment and, and try new things. Yes. Definitely love
Speaker 0 00:26:39 That. Definitely. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:26:41
And outta like the other tools that you share in the book, is there one that you kind of come back to again and again, like something that’s kind of your go-to, if you’re feeling having a moment of like,
Speaker 0 00:26:54
Yes, I have two. One is physical and I, it’s so easy, but like, if you can change your temperature, like if you’re sitting there and you’re not feeling good and you can either get colder or hotter, like take off a layer of clothes, go outside and feel the wind on your face. It’s so simple. But it really helps me in lots of situations if I’m feeling stuck, like changing my body temperature is like something I go back to constantly. And the other one is sort of what I was alluding to earlier around guardrails and breaking down problems. Like, I’ve just sort of done more and more of that. So this whole idea of like, give yourself six times before, like, it’s like different ways of turning off your judging comparison, comparing brain by saying, well I don’t allow myself to do that right now. Yeah. I’m not gonna allow myself to, so I am, I’m like, that’s like a big theme for me in a lot of
Speaker 3 00:27:51
Stuff. It’s, it’s kind of like tapping into that discipline muscle. Right? Like just trying to be like, okay, I’m go, I get to maybe worry about it in three tries or
Speaker 0 00:28:01
<laugh>. Yes, yes, yes. It’s sort of, that is not for now. Yeah. It’s like saying like that stage of things is not for now. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> do not do that. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it, it is a practice. Like even with writing, you know, I can constantly feel myself being like, that’s a good enough. That’s not good enough. That’s good. And what I’ve gotten very lucky with is I’ve found other people that are good at things I’m not good at to like help, help work with me. Like if something doesn’t feel good enough, I have other writers who can help me make it feel bad. You know, it’s just like, it’s just sort of understanding yourself enough to set up your boundaries and set up your support. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 3 00:28:38
And coming back to like the writing aspect too, I imagine like whenever you’re writing, you can’t also be editing, right? Because
Speaker 0 00:28:46 That’s right. It first
Speaker 3 00:28:48
Has to
Speaker 0 00:28:48
Come. That that is the thing That is exactly what I would say. Yes. And I was gonna say the same thing for this with the visual is the same way. It’s like that step is not for now. Yeah. Like you can’t be editing when you’re writing or you won’t write Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, which I didn’t do for 20 years. Like, that’s like how it goes. So you, so if you have any interest in actually writing or actually painting, like, you probably have to start by turning off that brain.
Speaker 3 00:29:14
Yeah. Uh, so beautiful. Meredith, thank you so much for your time of, of course. And sharing, sharing your wisdom with all of us. I just like cannot wait to share this episode. I know it will help so many people and I hope
Speaker 0 00:29:28 So.
Speaker 3 00:29:28
And just what is the best way for people to connect and find you online?
Speaker 0 00:29:34
Yeah. I think there, I would say Instagram is be Voya. Be Voya is also the website of beautiful Voyager. So if you go to be Voya, you can find a lighthouse map and like look at messages and bottles sent from people around the world and like, just sort of explore there. And either way is a very easy way to be in touch and just see, see the work.
Speaker 3 00:29:59
Yes. And absolutely. Anyone listening, please buy the book. Get out of my head. It is just so Thank you. It’s like, I, I wanna sleep, sleep with Cuddle because it’s so, it
Speaker 0 00:30:10
That makes me so happy. I always wanted the physical object of get out of my head to feel like this connector between people. Yeah. Like I wanted it to be this thing where you’re like, I feel this. Yes. And I feel the other person that was like my dream for it. So thank you.
Speaker 3 00:30:26
Yeah. And, and, and to just to kind of add to that, I, because I sometimes I buy books that are digital, you know? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But I knew that this one I had to have it as a physical copy. And I think you spoke to it just like Exactly. To like what I was feeling. ’cause it’s like I need that tactile like experie.
Speaker 0 00:30:44
Yes. It’s tactile. It’s tactile. Exactly Right. That’s exactly right.
Speaker 3 00:30:48
Oh, thank you so much Meredith, and appreciate
Speaker 0 00:30:51 You. Thank you. I
Speaker 3 00:30:52
Hope, I hope you have a calm and creative day.
Speaker 0 00:30:55
Me too. I’m gonna channel that. Thank you <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:31:00
Thank you so much for listening to this episode. Sweet Friend. I’ll close this out by mentioning the acronym calm. The C and CALM stands for community. Remember, you’re Not Alone. I invite you to join the Calm and Creative Community group on Facebook. It’s a private and free group where we can share various supplemental resources to help us feel more creative and calm. The A in CALM stands for apply. I encourage you to apply some of these learnings from this episode so that you can integrate this knowledge better into your day-to-day life. The L in CALM stands for Leave a Review. If you enjoy this episode, this will help our podcast reach a wider group of creatives that are seeking to feel more mindful and creative. The M in CALM stands for Mindful, and that’s simply just being kind to our minds and remembering that it takes intention and practice. And no matter how you’re feeling today, I want you to know that we’re all doing the best that we can in a given moment of time. So keep going. Sweet, friend, you got this.